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THE POPE OF AUSTIN, TEXAS

HIGH TIMES Interview: Willie Nelson | 2007-11-27
In February 2007, Willie Nelson sat down at his home in Maui and smoked a joint with his old friend Keith Stroup, the founder of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws (NORML). Between them, the two old heads hatched a plan for the Austin Freedom Festival, a benefit for marijuana-law reform, which was held in August. Willie Nelson, Asleep at the Wheel all played in praise of Mary Jane, and NORML shared the proceeds with the Marijuana Policy Project, the Wo/Men’s Alliance for Medical Marijuana and Green Aid. Just before he hit the stage, Willie sat down once again to talk with HIGH TIMES.

Of course, gaining an audience required the patience of a saint.
By Richard Cusick | Photos by Chris Eudaley

Merle Haggard steps off Willie Nelson’s bus just as HIGH TIMES steps on. In the 11 highly focused minutes that follow, the Pope of Austin, TX, will pontificate on being medicalized in Hawaii, arrested in Louisiana and pissed off in Texas. The Red-Headed Stranger will film a fast potcast and spend three minutes more posing for a national magazine cover with fistfuls of weed. Willie is temperamentally gracious—always—so as the clock runs down, I suggest one more shot.

The Pope breaks into a ball-busting grin. “Now don’t get all creative on me,” quips this most lovable old geezer as he holds the Bubble Gum buds like a pair of maracas and takes the final pose. “Y’already got too much time.”

Two years earlier, when America’s most beloved stoner sat down for a sesh with the world’s No. 1 pot magazine, things were much different. That was Maryland, and we had time for a leisurely chat over three joints of Sour Diesel. In Maryland, Willie Nelson was merely a national musical icon with a guaranteed place in American cultural history. In Austin, he’s something more: He’s a saint among sinners and worshipped as wise...read more

I like Willie Nelson not just because he enjoys marijuana. But because he is a real person. He's not afraid to be WHO HE IS, and never has been. I respect that. Ron Paul respects the rights of people like Willie Nelson and me too.

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Famous Cannibus Consumers

George Washington

Thomas Jefferson

John Lennon

Art Garfunkel
"If John Lennon is deported, I'm leaving too... with my musicians... and my marijuana."

John F Kennedy

Tom Brokaw "There was this early benign attitude, certainly toward marijuana, and then even toward cocaine later on, which was not an area for me. I didn't go there. But you know, marijuana was being passed around at very establishment cocktail parties like an after-dinner drink of some kind."

Robert Mitchum
"The only effect that I ever noticed from smoking marijuana was a sort of mild sedative, a release of tension when I was overworking. It never made me boisterous or quarrelsome. If anything, it calmed me and reduced my activity."

Tommy Chong
Born in Edmonton, Alberta. Cheech Marin was a draft dodger living in Vancouver when he first met Chong. Check out his action figure. Chong was recently sent to jail for 9 months for selling waterpipes over the internet.

Carl Sagan - Looking at fires when high, by the way, especially through one of those prism kaleidoscopes which image their surroundings, is an extraordinarily moving and beautiful experience."

Louis Armstrong
"It really puzzles me to see marijuana connected with narcotics . . . dope and all that crapÉit's a thousand times better than whiskey - it's an assistant - a friend."

Norman Mailer One's condition on marijuana is always existential. One can feel the importance of each moment and how it is changing one. One feels one's being, one becomes aware of the enormous apparatus of nothingness-the hum of a hi-fi set, the emptiness of a pointless interruption, one becomes aware of the war between each of us, how the nothingness in each of us seeks to attack the being of others, how our being in turn is attacked by the nothingness in others.

Bob Marley
"Music and herb go together. It's been a long time now I smoke herb. From 1960s, when I first start singing."

Richard Feynman (scientist)
Nobel Prize Laureate physicist, founder of quantum electrodynamics.

William Shakespeare
Fragments of pipes unearthed near Shakespeare's garden showed traces of cocaine and cannabis. No direct evidence connecting the pipes to Shakespeare.

Tommy Chong
Born in Edmonton, Alberta. Cheech Marin was a draft dodger living in Vancouver when he first met Chong. Check out his action figure.
Chong was recently sent to jail for 9 months for selling waterpipes over the internet.

Carl Sagan - Looking at fires when high, by the way, especially through one of those prism kaleidoscopes which image their surroundings, is an extraordinarily moving and beautiful experience."

Bob Denver
In 1998 Gilligan received probation after signing for a package containing 30 grams of pot. It turns out that he was buying pot through the mail from his co-star Dawn Wells (Mary Anne).

Newt Gingrich
Speaker of the House. Smoker of the weed.
Gingrich said he smoked pot while studying in the 1970s. To do so, Gingrich said, "was a sign that we were alive and in graduate school in that era."

Michael Bloomberg (NY mayor)
When asked if he ever smoked pot, he replied, "You bet I did. And I enjoyed it!"

Jane Fonda
Perhaps her and Ted enjoy cannabis together?

Peter Fonda

Robert Altman
"I was a heavy drinker, but the alcohol affected my heart rather than my liver. So I stopped. I smoke grass now. I say that to everybody, because marijuana should be legalized. It's ridiculous that it isn't. If at the end of the day I feel like smoking a joint I do it. It changes the perception of what I've been through all day."
(On the advisory board of NORML)

Bill Maher
(On the advisory board of NORML)

Willie Nelson
"I think people need to be educated to the fact that marijuana is not a drug. Marijuana is an herb and a flower. God put it here. If He put it here and He wants it to grow, what gives the government the right to say that God is wrong?"
(On the advisory board of NORML)
Sept.17, 2006: Wille Nelson cited for marijuana possession.

Johnny Cash
A good friend of Willie Nelson's.
Cash made headlines when he refused to change the lyrics to suit network executives, singing the song with its references to marijuana intact: "On the Sunday morning sidewalks / Wishin', Lord, that I was stoned."

Richard Feynman (scientist)
Nobel Prize Laureate physicist, founder of quantum electrodynamics.

Linda McCartney
Linda made headlines as a result of an open fondness for marijuana. While being treated for breast cancer she smoked pot to ease the discomfort of chemotherapy.

Sir Paul McCartney
"I think the 'Just say no' mentality is so crazed. I saw a thing in a women's magazine the other day. 'He smokes cannabis, what am I to do? He laughs it off when I try to tell him, he says it's not really harmful...' Of course you're half hoping the advice will be, 'Well, you know it's not that harmful; if you love him, if you talk to him about it, tell him maybe he should keep it in the garden shed or something,' you know, a reasonable point of view. But of course it was, 'No, no, all drugs are bad. Librium's good, Valium's good. But cannabis, ooooh!' I hate that unreasoned attitude.

Jack Black
Actor and singer.
Voted pot smoker of the year by High Times magazine. Jack will be playing a set at an upcoming NORML conference.

Woody Harrelson
"I do smoke, but I don't go through all this trouble just because I want to make my drug of choice legal. It's about personal freedom. We should have the right in this country to do what we want, if we don't hurt anybody. Seventy-two million people in this country have smoked pot. Eighteen to 20 million in the last year. These people should not be treated as criminals.

Jack Nicholson
"My point of view, while extremely cogent, is unpopular. . . . That the repressive nature of the legalities vis-a-vis drugs are destroying the legal system and corrupting the police system.